From what I understand, the NYPD cannot legally videotape protestors, under the constraints handed down by the Handschau Agreement.

It's true. Whoever took those photos of the cop should really make them available to the National Lawyers Guild (212-679-6018), preferably along with the location and time they were taken, and any identifying info about the officers/unit. Unless there was an actual crime taking place, or reason to believe that one was about to (more than just the protest march itself!)-- the NYPD is in violation of the new law.

Emailed them as soon as I got home, along with the cop's name, badge and precinct #.

the two men behind him look like they are directing, they have spaghetti on their chests - or whatever the term is. This is a great shot

Wow, the police in the UK film and photograph people as they like... they have special film units and stand on the side of the road and blantently film everyone they can!

Go ahead, cops, tape. It's discoverable if you arrest or assault anybody, and it will prove your police report is as full of lies as "Unfit for Command."

Print Out And Post Around Town

They were filming everyone down at Critical Mass around St. Mark's on Friday. At least a dozen cops with video cameras.

Saw NYPD detectives taking videos at 29th and 7th. They had on blue golf shirts that said "NYPD - Detective Bureau - DRC Unit".

the Pigs were also filming us during the IWW action at Starbucks.

Handschau Agreement. ?

Article in the NYC Village Voice on the Handshu Agreement:

 http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0251/lee.php

Detectives from NYPD TARU units were doing the same in Union Square.

If you see this happening, notify any legal observers present immediately. Try to collect the name and badge number of the offending officer--and let the officer know that what he/she is doing is illegal.

Videotaping protesters is ONLY legal when a crime or confrontation is in progress, or when crime is imminent. No other circumstances allow for it.

Sorry, darkie--nothing of the sort happened today. You might be sad to hear this, but the VAST majority of protesters are not criminals.

Some people don't like being videotaped without their permission, buddy. I know it may be hard for a person of your mental capacity to understand. But please do try.

i spoke with someone from nlg today, she basically said that nypd tapes to document incidents and protect themselves from police brutality, but that there are lawsuits either pending or on their way to try to sort out the whole thing....keep photo'ing these guys!

here's one i took from last year:

the sea of surveillance cams the blanket Manhattan.

See:

 http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/06/1697975.php

You are now in a Police state. Thanks to the Patriot Act one and two. Your Police forces are now working for the Federal Government. Read the first and second Patriot act. It explains everything.

ok, fess up, what drugs are you on? when you are in a public place, you have no right to object to photographing or videotaping. the same way you can videotape police activity, you too can be videotaped.

you can rail about any agreement you like, but if you take it to court, you will lose. the key question you have to ask yourself is, do you have a reasonable expectation of privacy? when you are marching down a public street the answer is clearly NO!

if you were on private property, with a closed door between you and the police, you could claim that you had a reasonable expectation of privacy, and it would be ruled an unreasonable search. bitching that the police are photographing you, probably in hopes of catching you in the act of trashing some place or other, just marks you out to be a bunch of crybabies.

ask your mothers. if you have to wear a mask, or hide from the police to do something, you are probably being bad.

trust me on this. if it was a facist police state, it wouldn't be a video camera, it would be a rifle pointed at your head. and you wouldn't have a web site with which to post your rants on either.

This how the South African Aparthieds Regime had the Security Police film every political meeting.
The USA is going down down down.

Well it's time for Americans to realize a few things.....

You gov / CIA organised 911 so that they could
wage terror on americans and the rest of the
world.

I promise you they don't care about your rights
to protest and I expect protests to be "banned"
in the near future.

...Welcome to the New World Order, where Americans
spy on Americans, where American's arrest americans...where the american gov lies and spreads terror and death to the entire globe.

...welcome to the new dark ages!!!!

Wake up, for those that are old enough, they have been living in a police state ever since they started to tell you what you could or not use to have a good time, this would be about one hundred years give or take twenty. Read your ninth amendment, for americans that is, and ask yourself if the marijuana user has retained that 'right' to use it, or is it the ability to use it.

When a politician says they need to compromise when in the congress or senate, it is apart of political life, tell them no one should compromise when freedom is at stake, then boot him out onto the street.

I like the first one, there's a picture of a chick taking a picture of the cop filming lol

Just want to tell PhotoMe that the police in the UK that he is referring to on the side of the road are actually taking pictures of speeding cars. But maybe PhotoMe knows something that i don't, i'm just giving my two cents worth, or whatever your phrase is! I love all these protests and stuff, i'm a Brit and i would like to see Bush out of office as much as any American would. I hope the cops get into hot water over those cams!

Not to toss a wet blanket on this party, but could it be possible that the cop was shooting the video for himself? These protests are history in the making. You probably wont see this again for decades. Maybe he was enjoying the scene just as much as you guys?

..and maybe Im wrong, but I wanted to offer the different alternative.

Anyway, you guys kick ass! Keep up the protests and get the word out. I wish like hell I could be there too. Thank you for everything you are doing!

It's funny how the story of the Secret service investigating Indy media's delegate lists (on the web)has lead me here. Through trying to suppress discent they end up promoting it. If they had kept there mouths shut I wouldn't know anything about this stuff. Keep up the good work.

let them video. if protesters believe in what they are doing and believe it to be right and believe that the police are abusive....then what is there to fear about the videos?

He was hoping for some head smashing so he could use the footage for "personal use" when he is home alone.

Observed NYPD videotaping the Green Festival in Washington Park on Sat 8/28. Female officer hiding behind statue aiming camera toward stage.

"Just want to tell PhotoMe that the police in the UK that he is referring to on the side of the road are actually taking pictures of speeding cars."

Colin Piman - just shows how many times you have got off your arse to do anything, e.g. protest. The UK police units which are referred to hear normally comprise of one (extremely well paid) civilian freelance videographer/photographer (both still and video cameras mounted together) with between two and three minders. There can be between one and three (or more) of these units depending on the size of the demonstration - not unlike the New York photos.

They are at almost all demonstrations and don't like being photographed themselves. Neither do they like their field of vision being obscured.

Colin, I suggest you get out and do a little bit more than spectate! Or maybe you like sitting on your arse watching 'You've Been Framed"!

Wow! The top photo is amazing. Of course the content, but everything about it is really telling. Wow.

Looks like the cop to the right has a camera in his hand too. If you zoom in on the image, can you get the badge # of the cop with the video camera?

Protestors should photograph and videotape the pigs and maintain a database of them. I wonder how the average oinkster would appreciate a dose of their own medicine.

Pete

To the person who speculated that the cop might have been videotaping for his own private use/collection...if that were true, then that's still not acceptable...he's getting paid (with tax dollars) to do a job, not a hobby....furthermore, the 2 white shirts, superior officer cops (behind him) would also be complicit in allowing him to "slack off " on the job....

To the person who said that individuals don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy in public...fine, but if that's true, then what's good for the goose is good for the gander...try approaching a bunch of cops standing around with a video camera and start recording....in about 5 seconds, they will come up to you and order you to stop and demand to know why you were videoing them - refuse to answer and expect at least a warrant check and very possibly a trip to the station....sorry, if we can't record them, then they can't record us....

in the UK police film people out side every soccer ground and try and spot potential football holligans

sorry if this is a repeat, but the Boston police and federal agents videotaped us protesting the DNC as well. I have some pictures if anyone is looking for more.

If you don't like it...then get the fuck out of our country...I hear CUBA and CHINA are happy to have socialist nuts like you guys!!!!

PISS OFF!!!

Actually, in UK the pigs've been legally able to film demos since about 1994-5 and the Criminal Justice Bill - I remember filming them filming me & they initially ran away but then threatened to arrest me. As for civil liberties, look around - they're being increasingly ignored, both here in the UK and in the US - first they bang up anybody who isn't white, like in London in Belmarsh prison where people are held without charge for any amount of time - then, well, you don't have to be a genius to see they're beginning to ignore the niceties of liberal democracy...Still, it's great to see New York protests on this sort of scale! Keep it up guys! One solution - revolution!

The way the police act these days, It's like something out of a movie! Very disturbing

I was directed here by the Yahoo article...I bet the traffic on the indymedia sites has blown up today.

To all out there in NYC: Keep it up. Seeing people doing what I am seeing and reading fron NYC is making me feel like the US of A still has a chance.

BUSH HAS TO GO.HE IS GETTING WHAT HE ASKED FOR, "BRING EM ON"

"think that it is great the the Police are filming these scum...they protest a war that 99.999% of them have no investment in"

Yeah, and the CHICKENHAWK President and his CHICKENHAWK puppet masters have some kind of moral high ground here?

Get your head out of your ass.

Yeah, right. The cops need to be videotaping the whining masses who see through the veil of secrecy that has descended upon America like a pall over a coffin.

Active Duty Air Force has the right idea... until one day somebody from the FBI searches his bunghole.

I can't believe what has happened to the United States. We can thank our 'leaders' for saddling the American taxpayer for the mess they have made. Two hundred billion in Iraq isn't enough for Active Duty Air Farce, he wants total surveiillance of every citizen that moans and groans about how bad George Bush is. He refers to his fellow citizens as 'piss ants'.

Buy another flag, ADAF. You're really not defending America if you want to quash dissent, you're just a brown shirt ready to bust heads anywhere that George Bush tells you.

If you really wanted freedom to live, you would join in the protest instead of being a political sycophant.

Hear hear, Ace of Spades

Time to give George Bush and the lying, spying neocons the boot.

It looks as the the Patriot Act's infringements on our rights has started. Is this the new Bush Nazi SS?

Its definitely illegal to be videotaping protestors on the street. If you can't videotape people at the beach, you can't videotape protestors in the street. oh yea, Fuk the Police

To the nut who said, "If you don't like it then piss off and go to China."

Well, I am sure you will fit in just fine over there. They hate freedom. They hate human rights. I am sure they will love you. One little protest over there and they will have you in jail my friend.

We are becoming more and more like them. It's the New World order from Bush. American against American. It's what they want. You are their lamb chop. Have fun at the slaghter house!

I love this country. I am horrified at what we are becoming. The terrosits killed 3000 Americans, so we kill thousands more innocent people around the world (not terrosits but innocent people) and thus create more terrosits. More war and suffering. All in the name of America. What the fuck???!!#@#! It's no wonder why the rest of the world hate's us.

Winding up in a concentration camp someday.

to the person who suggested people go to china or cuba: you seem to want to live in a police state; if so, you and others like you are the ones who should leave.

Cops are fucking jackasses. Repression in the name of freedom? No, fascism

Resident down here in the deep South, but with the demonstrators heart and soul. Let the Nazis troopers take all the pics they want. Protestors are also armed with cameras. Let this be known too, the South is not so solid behind Bush. And my family and I are Evangelical Christians. The South is shy three bricks in its so called solid support for Bush and the Criminal Cabal. Stop stereotyping Evangelicals as all being behind Bush. Many of us are not! Bring the troops home! No Draft! No more war profiteering! The liars must go!

Your worried about a handycam?

How about all the unmarked vans with high-res cameras:
http://cryptome.org/rnc-prep-10.htm

Welcome to the New World Order folks. It's here. You knew in you're hearts that it was true. You just did'nt want to believe. Bet the movie cams will be switched OFF when you're in for questioning sometime. You know, for that pesky "free speech thing".

unreal...cops video ing protesters...and now i have to vote with no paper trail???

chill...It's a video camera. Learn some history; only 40 yrs. ago mass action WAS responded to in a fascist manner in our country. Personally, I'd much rather have a camcorder pointed at my head than a fire hose. You wanted exposure, you got it.

just to clarify my position...I consider myself a priceless swing vote, so court my vote by having an informed opinion, not slandering my occupation. I would be in Kerry's camp, but I'm sick of a lot of what I percieve to be paranoia on the left. I respect everyone's opinion, and don't want to be seen as a "political sycophant", like my overly-idealistic brother in arms. Just WTF is a "political sycophant," by the way?

Does anyone know if the Handschau Agreement also applies to the NY watershed police at their upstate reservoirs? Last year they filmed a small band of local protestors who were angry about a road closing at one of the upstate reservoirs that feeds the NYC water supply.

Definition:

1.

\Syc"o*phant\, n. [L. sycophanta a slanderer,
deceiver, parasite, Gr. ? a false accuser, false adviser,
literally, a fig shower; ? a fig + ? to show: cf. F.
sycophante. The reason for the name is not certainly known.
See {Phenomenon}.]
1. An informer; a talebearer. [Obs.] ``Accusing sycophants,
of all men, did best sort to his nature.'' --Sir P.
Sidney.

2. A base parasite; a mean or servile flatterer; especially,
a flatterer of princes and great men.

A sycophant will everything admire: Each verse, each
sentence, sets his soul on fire. --Dryden.


2.

\Syc"o*phant\, v. t. [CF. L. sycophantari to deceive,
to trick, Gr. ?.]
1. To inform against; hence, to calumniate. [Obs.]

Sycophanting and misnaming the work of his
adversary. --Milton.

2. To play the sycophant toward; to flatter obsequiously.


3.

\Syc"o*phant\, v. i.
To play the sycophant.

 http://www.hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=sycophant

Anybody...even the police...can film in an open forum. There is no expectation of privacy in public places. The restriction on filming by police is that which is done covertly and which singles out individuals. You idiots act like you understand the constitution, but you truly are ignorant. Everybody has first amendment rights...including the police. Now, go home, wash your feet, and get a job!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, Active Duty Air Force -- I pay your fucking salary, and I'm sick of paying you to kill poor people. I'm also sick of paying for useless cops that violate my rights. I wouldn't mind paying your salary or a cop's salary if you were actually doing your jobs -- protecting the Constitution.

How dare you say 99.99 percent of those marchers have nothing invested in the war. Bush and the rest are throwing the future of our country in the toilet by pissing all our money at a bunch of military welfare queens.

Get a real job, asshole. Pay taxes. You're fired.

Excellent nounage! My feeling of self worth just plummeted ten fold! Thank you for enlightening such a moral pissant as myself! Your rhetoric makes me wet, oh Virgil of the thread!
Definition:

1.

\Syc"o*phant\, n. [L. sycophanta a slanderer,
deceiver, parasite, Gr. ? a false accuser, false adviser,
literally, a fig shower; ? a fig + ? to show: cf. F.
sycophante. The reason for the name is not certainly known.
See {Phenomenon}.]
1. An informer; a talebearer. [Obs.] ``Accusing sycophants,
of all men, did best sort to his nature.'' --Sir P.
Sidney.

2. A base parasite; a mean or servile flatterer; especially,
a flatterer of princes and great men.

A sycophant will everything admire: Each verse, each
sentence, sets his soul on fire. --Dryden.


2.

\Syc"o*phant\, v. t. [CF. L. sycophantari to deceive,
to trick, Gr. ?.]
1. To inform against; hence, to calumniate. [Obs.]

Sycophanting and misnaming the work of his
adversary. --Milton.

2. To play the sycophant toward; to flatter obsequiously.


3.

\Syc"o*phant\, v. i.
To play the sycophant.

Pumping Iraqi blood into American gas tanks, this is freedom. Robbing the poor and giving to the rich is freedom. Having a butthole like Bush for presidents is freedom. Protesting in NYC is freedom. Once you take someone else freedom away you will take you own away in the process.

 http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/108173/index.php

So, why are they filming?

Currently in the U.S. we have over 600 concentration camps located in the wilderness areas, fully operational and ready to go. (Google if you care). Of course, "they" started building them before the term of our "el presidente". 911 is a great excuse to Patriot Acts I and II (originally introduced in 1984 under a different name, but failed miserably) and, of course, as we have learned today, we "can't win war on terrorism". But we sure have created a Stalinist society.

This is a long subject, but in a nutshell, they (manipulators of the politics and culture) are getting ready to introduce the most structured, consumer-slave society ever created. If you a free-thinking, spiritual human being, you hardly fit in. They know you will rebel, so, that's where the Oklahoma and 911 fit in.

Through methodical manipulation of the American culture, they have succeeded creating milions of sub-humans, who are posting their festering comments on how we shoud "get out" and "shut up and get a job". It is hardly worth an effort to engage in the dialog. Try to explain to your cat Emerson's writing. When a person loosing his mental capacities and a sense of humanity, he resort to affection towards symbols: Mickey Mouse, Elvis Prestley, Amercian flag, military uniform, etc.,

So, why are they filming?

P.S. Don't give up.

Who is the guy in the hawaiian shirt anyway?

12 hours a day in 120 degree heat in Iraq isn't a job.

It's slavery. Arbeit macht frei!

But, hey, it's so everybody else can be 'free'. so, you really have nothing to complain about. Get back to work, swine.

....the guy in the hawaiian shirt ? Certainly not the Lion King ...duh. He look slike a reporter. Probably is. Anyway, when was the last time you read Orwell's 1984 ? Well, I hate to say so but we're there.

One word.

Morons.

LMFAO

I used to vote Republican, but never again. A 'Republican' is somebody like the foolish Rush Limbaugh. Hah. A windbag who pops pills and whines about the hapless, lost Democrats who are going to lose the presidential bid to the stupidest person alive, George Bush.

The 'Republicans' are sunk, too. It doesn't matter who is in the White House or Congress or anywhere in our 'Republic'; it's the Titanic on its maiden voyage.

Freedom is Slavery War is Peace Lies are Truth

for those not willing to purchase the book ....
 http://www.spy.org.uk/1984.htm

It's really worth reading over and over. But I guess I'm asking too much from the american public....to read read read. Read the book (1984) from beginning to end. Open a fresh bottle of Victory Gin and READ !!

for more lovely surveillance cam positions around the great NYC area, check out this great site.

 http://www.mediaeater.com/cameras/

it exposes most of the surveillance and traffic cams in the city.

oh an a quick apology to the conservatives on this thread, for being asleep at the wheel during these most historically evil times. dont worry, you can stay in hibernation, while the democrats once again turn the tide of evil back to liveable standards, and save your children and their children from environmental, governmental, and military annihilation. and of course we wont expect a thank you....

¡¡POLICIAS COBARDES GRABAD A VUESTRA MADRE!!

take a look at the cops dressed in riot gear, they have cameras built into their helmets and are transmitting pictures back to the mothership in real time

"They Hate Your Freedom" seems a bit on the over dramatic, non-useful side to me. It doesn't educate and its VERY general.

I prefer the T-shirt "Notice To Law Enforcement Officers" pictured below.
I do believe that the state is trying to find out who we are and crack down on our freedom of speech with fascist tendencies, but the majority of the country does not and they probably need a better example.

oh my God!

Surveillance; what else do you expect from an armed, occupying, paramilitary force?

I suggest you watch the video here. It shows video proof from local news reports, that the "Anarchists" are working with the government in many cases, and they were left alone while inocent people were attacked.

Broardband realmedia >>  http://www.sacredcow.com/media/links/alex/WTO_bg.ram

Dialup real media >>  http://www.sacredcow.com/media/links/alex/WTO_sm.ram

weren't all you badass rebels supposed to be assaulting people with chocolate tofu pies or something? Maybe that's why the cops had cameras there? I do feel horrible that they are infringing upon your rights to throw a delicious confection into the face of some confused homemaker from Deluth. Anyways, I just wanted to say thanks for bitching about trite shit, and blocking traffic for two fucking hours sunday, as you are no doubt securing my freedom by doing so. Viva la revolucion! Get off Orwell's cock (and the meth) and wake the fuck up! Kerry's just as self-serving as Bush, and there's nothing you can do about it. If you really care so much about humanity, volunteer in a soup kitchen. You're just the other fringe, and normal people think you're equally pathetic as the Christian Coalition.

George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Benjamin Rush and all of the signers of the Constitution should have kept their mouths shut and been colonialists for King George, then we wouldn't have to put up with all of this unrest. Good Lord, this stuff is just terrible. Protesting, marching, voicing opposition to the powers that be. Everybody should just stay at home, eat their apple pie and go to bed.

Who needs political dissent? Be Happy, don't worry. Everything is under control.

nothing like false analogies to justify your delusions!

Dissent's necessary, unfortunatley I'm not legally able to voice it for another 2 months. Instead of bashing people and trying to be intellectual alfa-males, why don't you guys stick to your issues instead of berating 90 % of America? Maybe us prols can't understand your argument not because of our ignorance, but because you suck at articulating it. just a thought.

 http://www.ogrish.com/view_attachment.php?id=38738
heres a movie of it

The Stalinazicommufascist Gestapo/NKVD are nothing more than criminals with badges, uniforms, equipment and guns...they are just a bunch of loathesome bullyboys and bullygirls who like to commit crimes against citizenry while tiptoeing around the real criminals. To a Stalinazi cop, you are guilty until proven innocent!

Osama bin Bush is the most useless prick to ever infest the Out House! It's no secret that the Arabs are NOT responsible for 9/11 at all! IT was the Mossadqaeda and Ameriqaeda Letter Terrorist Organizations under the ZigZog "Govt" Those two Trade Center towers fell as a perfect, textbook demolition, not a knockdown like the Stalinist media would like to brainwash you with.
Befehl ist Befehl!

We are not a free society at all...because of this, I despise the "government" for all it's worth...which is zilch!!! I am only sorry that the Confederates lost the Second American Revolution; we would still be free had they won!

Also, the Jews claim they are persecuted...yet they make the odious most unconstitional laws possible to restrict and destroy our freedoms. Beast like FDR, Eisenhower and Johnson, as well as both Bushes are of Jew background. If the Jews don't want to be hated, then let them stop being so hateful to we Citizens!!!

the dude with the tape recorder and notepad likes scat porn.

Rather interesting this is all being played out in the exact week that the 'Passion' movie is released on DVD/Video. No coincidence.

DEEPEST THANKS to all the bravehearts who took part and are taking part, standing and 'crying in the wilderness' on behalf of the rest of all of us. They are standing up even on behalf of those who do not understand and think it is just a mob of 'job'less, mindless ne'r-do-wells out there. (Remember the response of the truly powerless is to try to discredit.) In fact we will hear in coming days reports of just some of those who attended, and yes there will certainly be the jobless, due to the direction of our country, outsourcing, the bankrupting war, etc. However, well-paid employees also attended, who were not just thinking of themselves because they happen to be currently employed. As if being out of a job strips one of the right to speak out, anyway. Well? That is the implication, isn't it?

Maybe someone's calling (or 'job') is to skip the 9-to-5 grind, and travel the land standing and speaking truth on behalf of others. Hmmmm...like someone we know from the 'Passion'...?

What some call foolish, mindless is rather 'Strength through Humility' in action, the very opposite of our nature.

You shine as stars!

....CRY for our BELOVED COUNTRY....

Apparently we live in the most hypocritical nation in the world. The only Freedom we have is to continue Buying and Consuming.

yeah i was there and how does it feel when we have a camera in your face. you like it.

YEAH I WAS THERE AND YOU GUYS ARE OUT OF YOUR MINDS. YOU GUYS DONT LIKE US WE DONT CARE BUT AT THE END WHO LEFT BACK TO CRUSTYBUTT IDAHO DISAPPOINTED. BOO HOO LOSER

To apologise for the state's actions is to ally yourself with it. Possibly, even, to consider other arguments which rejects yours. To be in that position requires you to have passed the test of being able to get there in the first place. The standards: one must be unable to realise the inherent contradictions in the doctrine absorbed, and then repeated, without question. Of this ‘doctrine’ that I speak of.

The simple fact of the matter is that we can do no evil. This is a truism of the West. We are the benevolent, enlightened ones who must teach the ignorant the ways of freedom and democracy. Always, we are right, at the very least in our intentions. To elevate their crimes but to ignore our own (which some would say are worse), is the purest form of this. Our ‘crimes’ are never greater, even when using some sort of death toll as a basic indicator. Killing 12000+ civilians in Iraq, but having 3000+ civilians killed mainly in New York (and another 1000+ in the Middle east) are two entirely separate tragedies, the first type can not merit even a vaguely similar response to the second, which is a ‘true’ tragedy. If their ‘suffering’ is somehow acknowledged, it is ignored, or worse derided: victims of terrorism and freedom cannot possibly provoke equal sympathy. In any case it is obvious who suffers more: us. This is assumed from the start because it is us who makes it our burden ourselves to civilise them, for their sake. Anyone with an independent, rational mind realise the fallacies by simply looking at the presumptions made in the first place – we can do no wrong.

Those that follow this line of argument are often the sort who believe Vietnam was 'defended'. In a sense they were being saved, that is, from themselves. Just as we, the West, are protecting Iraqi ‘freedom’ now.

I noticed some who consider people who protest this aggression self-righteous. What, then, of those that support or apologise for the state’s actions? They must be gods in their own right.

To the genius who says these people are socialists...you are the socialist you moron. But, more probably a communist. You are the one who does not value your own sovereignty...so, you go and stop screwing up what the founders of this country PROTESTED for.
By the way, I hope none of you think that voting for Kerry is going to stop the police state.

Maybe he just wanted to be part of the demonstration but couldn't ^_^

where did the Handshau agreement come from and when?