ugh. i hate these politics.

sorry isnt good enough. so what that bush won. you dont get to fell sorry for yourself, sigh, and make an excuse to the rest of the world. "i tried". well thats not good enough.

so no, you dont get to stop trying. im tired of wieners who run away from the battle and make excuses. this fight is just beginning. if you are going to sit it out on the sidelines, you are no better than the bush supporter morons.

seriously, this is fucking lame.

it is one thing to have actual solidarity with the millions around the world who oppose the american empire. it is another to partake of liberal conscience-salving copout bullshit.

go see a show, rock out, enjoy yourself a bit

yea loosen up, don't take yourselves so seriously all the time eh?

Some of the apologies are good. Others are truly awful, half-assed and insincere.

...but to those with the guts and intelligence to face reality, it's quite clear that it is in fact George W Bush and the people behind him that need to apologize to America and the world for stealing the election in 2000 and 2004.
 http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
 http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=980
 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud_review.html
 http://vote2004.eriposte.com/
 http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html

Hey, you fucking idiot (first poster): a benefit isn't sitting on the sidelines. It's actually doing something. Not just spouting invective from the protective cover of the internet.

Hey, other fucking idiot (second poster, maus): a benefit is not a copout. It is a progressive action with measurable results. So, next time concentrate a little less on your big words, and think a bit more about how you sound like a fucking retard. Albeit a retard with a glossary.

To activist and @: Still photos, a 45 minute rock and roll set, and a song on a comp hardly suggests that a band takes itself so seriously on the subject. It's a fucking benefit - not a fucking religion.

To vf: The same can be said for Nirvana songs. What's your point?

To Are you tired...: Sorry Everybody is a great joke. It's also a poignant statement for some people - Americans and non-Americans. True, the sites you posted are no joke. But why couldn't the two concepts exist symbiotically? Should every wesbite all of a sudden turn into a blackboxvoting.org clone? Or can even those of us who have the "guts and intelligence to face reality" still visit a funny website and then play/go to a rock and roll show that raises awareness and money for a cause?

My point is: Instead of dismissing Sorry Everybody, why not get on board, help out and then you get a bigger platform from which to inform them of the reality you feel is being obscured?

Just because you are an activist doesn't mean you have to be deadly serious every fucking moment of your life.

Have some damn fun.

They stole the fucking election- why are you apologizing?

You should be getting angry and fighting for democracy, and if you are not, well maybe you should apologize for that.

Can someone please explain to me how the election was stolen ? I want some answers. President Bush won the popular vote by millions, and republicans gained seats in the House and Senate. It seems to me that you all sit around crying about "Stolen Election" instead of blaming the liberal douchebag running for president. Kerry was and is a joke, and until you can send a decent candidate to run you will always lose.


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To the first few posters:
At least some people know how to apologize.
Unlike our "Leader" who lies to everyone, then says "I'd do it all over again the same way, so go fuck yourselves"

sorryeverybody.com is just a small, but significant thing that these college kids did. I think it's great they threw a concert.

Yes, America should be sorry.

Sorry for letting a fascist get away with stealing an election.

Sorry for blindly believing in a news media that's actually more of a government/corporate propaganda machine.

Sorry for having such a loser "opposition" candidate give up so quickly.

Sorry for leaving the fight for a fair election up to the Greens and Libertarians (who don't stand a chance against the two larger parties).

And most of all, sorry for not doing what they did in Venezuela and the Ukraine when their democracy was at stake.

But let's all party down to make some money for people allowing fools and dupes to apologize for all the wrong reasons.

Oh, sorry, everybody. It is Houston's Free Radicals playing there.

My point: saying, as some have done, “Don’t Blame Me, I live in a Blue State†is not an expression of remorse. It’s something analogous to a childish defense mechanism against a punishing parent. Again, though, I repeat, as I did earlier, that some of the apologies are good.

Also, there is that whole notion of collective guilt. America is NOT occupied territory. We can't let ourselves off the hook that easily.

Yes, we could have resisted, just as the citizens of Nazi Germany could have resisted, but didn’t. I don’t know what it will take.

I am happy to be playing a show with a bunch of NYC bands who are politically active, and think that the sorryeverybody.com was a cool idea to create an open forum for people to express remorse in a variety of ways.

Some apologized for a broad range of abuses of the US, but others put up very limited apologies for not getting enough other to vote for Kerry, and promised to be back working for change again in 2008.

So, basically, it provided evidence that even anti-Bush Americans are often very limited in their awareness of how much trouble the US has been causing for the rest of the world and how little electoral politics can change this. That should be no surprise.

Many more people would be working hard right now to fix things if they really got to see them on their tv sets. Oppression and censorship is internalized leaving those who truly oppose war, selfishness and exploitation feeling like they are off the hook, at least until the next election.

Similarly their are social forces working on activists which also have the same effect: getting them to accomplish less. Pointing out that something isn't radical enough, or critiquing each other's tactics, are symptoms that we have internalized the oppression of ourselves.

So, yes, it is sad to see so many apologies of those who have no idea how much damage even Kerry would have done. We can either find ways to be inclusive, bringing those people in to share new ideas with them, or we can tell them that they are a bunch of morons.

I'm all for having a good time and raising money for a cause. But as long as people are putting so much time, work and money into it shouldn't the cause be something a little more important than supporting a website that allows people to apologize to the world for "re-electing George Bush" (which in the context of numerous accounts of voting irregularities has yet to be proven)? How about supporting something that can actually change our situation, like supporting Bev Harris' lawsuit against Palm Beach County?
Read about it here:
 http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

so the benefit is specifically for the maintenance of the website? was that supposed to be implied?

The bands are trying to decide which orgs we want to give whatever money we raise.

So, blackbox voting is one cool group - does anyone else have any suggestions? Maybe some local groups in Brooklyn?

If we have do a sorry everybody concert down here, we can see if houston indymedia's newswire gives it more disses than nyc.

So maybe not everyone who's contributed to the site is fully armed with all the info others are, and perhaps only some realize that Kerry was the lesser of two evils, but...come on. Can't we see the positive in this, in the sincere desire to reach out, in the fact that sooo many at least realize Bush is a danger, and want to make a change? For those of us who are the sensitive/emotional types, the site has been a godsend, a real source of strength, unity, and hope that all is not lost. Esp. for so many who feel isolated in red state rural areas. Also a unique way to expand knowledge thru messages, website addresses, etc. I think more good will come from this than some folks realize.

It's good to know the Rainbow Coalition and Democrats are finally getting involved, but hopefully it won't be too little too late. If no action is taken against the stolen election I'll return to DC Jan 20 armed with eggs for Bush's limo (like last time). There will definitely be many others:  http://www.internationalanswer.org/

A trio of short articles compiled by Truthout.org (  http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/120304C.shtml ):

Something's Fishy in Ohio

By Jesse Jackson
The Chicago Sun-Times

Tuesday 30 November 2004

In the Ukraine, citizens are in the streets protesting what they charge is a fixed election. U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell expresses this nation's concern about apparent voting irregularities. The media give the dispute around-the-clock coverage. But in the United States, massive and systemic voter irregularities go unreported and unnoticed.

Ohio is this election year's Florida. The vote in Ohio decided the presidential race, but it was marred by intolerable, and often partisan, irregularities and discrepancies. U.S. citizens have as much reason as those in Kiev to be concerned that the fix was in. Consider:

In Ohio, a court just ruled there can't be a recount yet, because the vote is not yet counted. It's three weeks after the election, and Ohio still hasn't counted the votes and certified the election. Some 93,000 overvotes and undervotes are not counted; 155,000 provisional ballots are only now being counted. Absentee ballots cast in the two days prior to the election haven't been counted.

Ohio determines the election, but the state has not yet counted the vote. That outrage is made intolerable by the fact that the secretary of state in charge of this operation, Ken Blackwell, holds - like Katherine Harris of Florida's fiasco in 2000 - a dual role: secretary of state with control over voting procedures and co-chair of George Bush's Ohio campaign. Blackwell should recuse himself so that a thorough investigation, count and recount of Ohio's vote can be made.

Blackwell reversed rules on provisional ballots in place in the spring primaries. These allowed voters to cast provisional ballots anywhere in their county, even if they were in the wrong precinct, reflecting the chief rationale for provisional ballots: to ensure that those who went to the wrong place by mistake could have their votes counted. The result of this decision - why does this not surprise? - was to disqualify disproportionately ballots cast in heavily Democratic Cuyahoga County.

Blackwell also permitted the use of electronic machines that provided no paper record. The maker of many of these machines, the head of Diebold Co., promised to deliver Ohio for Bush. In one precinct in Franklin County, an electric voting system gave Bush 3,893 extra votes out of a total of 638 votes cast.

Blackwell also presided over a voting system that resulted in quick, short lines in the dominantly Republican suburbs, and four-hour and longer waiting lines in the inner cities. Wealthy precincts received ample numbers of voting machines and numerous voting places. Democratic precincts received inadequate numbers of machines in too few polling places that were often hard to locate; this caused daylong waits for the very working people who could least afford the time.

In Ohio, as in Florida and Pennsylvania, there was a stark disconnect between the exit polls and the tabulated results, with the former favoring John Kerry and the latter George Bush. The chance of this occurring in these three states, according to Professor Steven Freeman of the University of Pennsylvania, is about 250 million to 1.

In one of dozens of examples, Ellen Connally, an African-American Supreme Court candidate running an underfunded race at the bottom of the ticket, received over 257,000 more votes than Kerry in 37 counties. She ran better than Kerry in the areas of the state where she wasn't known and didn't campaign than she did where she was known and did campaign.

There should be a federal investigation of the vote count in Ohio, with the partisan secretary of state removing himself from the scene.

In Cleveland, as in Kiev, Ukraine, citizens have the right to know that the election is run fairly and every vote counted honestly. Citizens have the right to nonpartisan election officials. Citizens have the right to voting machines that keep a paper record and allow for an independent audit and recount.

This country needs no more Floridas and Ohios. This shouldn't be a partisan issue. We call for a constitutional amendment to guarantee the right to vote for all U.S. citizens and to empower Congress to establish federal standards and nonpartisan administration of elections. Harris and Blackwell are insults to the people they represent, and stains upon the president whose election they sought to ensure. Democracy should not be for export only.




Will the Democrats Now Stand and Fight?

By Harvey Wasserman & Bob Fitrakis
The Columbus Free Press

Wednesday 01 December 2004

In Ohio 2004, it's the People versus the Party of Hate & Terror and the Party of Duck and Run...but will the Democrats now stand and fight?

As the Reverend Jesse Jackson rocked a cheering crowd here in Columbus Sunday, a national movement was born. Shouts of "you got that right!" rang through the hall as Jackson preached that what Karl Rove and George Bush and Kenneth Blackwell are doing to the 2004 vote in Ohio would not fly in Iraq or Ukraine or Afghanistan.

Jackson plans to return to Columbus on Thursday as his organization Rainbow/PUSH files a legal challenge to overturn Ohio's election results. On Saturday, December 4, Jackson will join voter rights advocates for a symposium at Columbus' Africentric School on the near east side. Earlier in the day, demonstrators will gather at the Ohio Statehouse to protest voter suppression and irregularities that occurred on November 2.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party has finally joined a legal challenge to the 2004 Ohio vote.

Central Ohio, America's leading test market, the quintessential home of college football and Wendy's hamburgers, has become Ground Zero in the struggle of the century over a vote count that has not yet been certified. More and more commentators are drawing parallels between Ohio and Ukraine where "losing" candidates received 53% and 54% respectively, in exit polls.

Word has spread that the election of 2004 is being stolen, starting here. Withholding of ballots and voting machines, rigging of electronic equipment, harassment, intimidation, official misinformation and a recount stonewall are just some of the GOP dirty tricks and corruption that define the 2004 Ohio vote. When Ohio's Republican Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell runs an election while co-chairing the Ohio Bush campaign, it's not hard to guess how a vote count will go - except that it's not yet over.

Apathy was not an issue here. Thousands of activists and ordinary citizens desperate to rid the nation of George W. Bush poured into Ohio with the uniformly expressed intent of saving our democracy. Countless streets throughout the state were canvassed over and over and over again. Phone callers overran their lists. Election day volunteers stood around with nothing to do because there were so many of them.

But the Bush/Rove fix was in. And exactly how it was done is becoming clear thanks to grassroots groups like the Election Protection Coalition, the League of Pissed-Off Voters, CommonCause and many more.

Along with theft and deception, this year's attempted replay of Bush coup 2000 has entrenched the GOP's official credentials as the party of Hate & Terror. As the most catastrophic domestic regime since Herbert Hoover, the Rovian machine had just three cards to play.

First, Karl Rove fired up the GOP hate base with gay marriage. In Ohio, that was the Issue One campaign to amend the state Constitution to outlaw gay marriage and domestic partnerships. Blackwell also co-chaired this campaign.

In 1988 Bush One ran against Willie Horton, a black man freed from prison under Democratic nominee Gov. Michael Dukakis of Massachusetts. Choreographed by Lee Atwater, Rove's gutter guru, Bush pushed the race hate button for all it was worth. This year, "Protection of marriage" became the code word for GOP anti-gay bigotry. New target, same game.

Second, Rove used the terror bogey, the bedrock of all totalitarian campaigns. With bin Laden's "October Surprise" GOP campaign pitch the Friday before the vote, Rove and Osama made Bush a cartoon of simple-minded "steady strength." The 9/11 attacks happened on Bush's watch; but Rove made terror this year's Reichstag fire for a violent, authoritarian regime.

Third, Rove made sure there was a war on. Bush attacked Iraq for its oil, his Daddy karma, and more. But Rove is a student of history who knows that no sitting president has been ousted during a war. It could have been Korea or Grenada, Iran or Grand Fenwick. But when Bush mouthed the words "war president" he was playing Rove's trump card.

The GOP's other ace was John Kerry, whose vote for the Iraq war left him open to Rove's flip flop attacks. On Iraq, the economy, the ecology and more, Bush has been merely a flop.

Kerry's tainted Iraq votes polluted his war record and his standing as an alternative to endless war. Yet with stellar debate performances and a decent final month, Kerry may have actually carried the national vote - if there were a fair count.

But with ballots still being bitterly contested in Ohio, Florida and elsewhere, Kerry conceded too soon. His plea for "national healing" raised gales of laughter at Fox and Rove's White House.

Kerry seemed to be walking away from the tens of millions of good-hearted Democrats and democrats who pinned their hopes on him to end the Bush nightmare.

It was a terrible moment for grassroots organizers who mobilized thousands of inner city and other voters for Kerry, only to see them turned away at the polls or their ballots shredded with every Rovian dirty trick imaginable. In a horrific display of contempt for the democratic process and for people of color, similar things were done in Florida and, to varying degrees, in every other swing state.

In the past weeks, it's become abundantly clear that a fair vote count in Ohio would have given Kerry the presidency. Having pledged to "make every vote count," Kerry had a solemn obligation to guarantee just that.

Tens of thousands of people came out in the rain, stood in line up to eleven hours, and were utterly trashed by the GOP machine. Kerry had a sacred duty to honor those people by not conceding until every one of those cases had been heard and every one of those instances made part of the national record. His concession gave GOP bloviators open season to proclaim victory for a bigot-based theocracy based on endless war, total terror and a terminal assault on American democracy.

But grassroots groups have fought back with citizen hearings to get the stories of disenfranchised voters certified. We've organized, campaigned and publicized until it's become clear that this story will not go away.

Independent citizen groups, including the Green and Libertarian Parties, CommonCause, Move-on.org and others are kicking in to organize and train the hundreds of volunteers it will take to monitor the re-count in Ohio's 88 counties.

By fighting tooth and nail against a fair recount, Ken Blackwell is leading the GOP machine in admitting it has something to hide. It is supremely illogical to scorn "conspiracy theorists" who question the November 2 vote count while desperately stonewalling an open accounting.

We are not backing down. What's at stake here is not just a single presidential election, but the right of all Americans to vote and to have those votes counted in all future elections.

And, finally, attorneys representing the Kerry-Edwards campaign have filed papers in Delaware County, Ohio, to intervene in legal proceedings in defense of Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb, Libertarian Michael Badnarik and their legal counsel, the National Voting Rights Institute, who are seeking a recount of all votes cast for president in the Ohio 2004 general election.

The grassroots will not surrender to the Party of Hate, Terror and Shredded Ballots. As in Ukraine, the whole world is starting to watch.

This election is not over.

Harvey Wasserman and Bob Fitrakis are co-authors of the upcoming "Another Stolen Election: Voices of the Disenfranchised, 2004," from freepress.org, of which they are senior editor and publisher. Wasserman is lead plaintiff in a FOIA lawsuit demanding access to all Ohio voting machines; Dr. Fitrakis, an attorney, convened and moderated central Ohio hearings that took scores of affidavits from Ohioans denied their right to vote.




Ohio Tally Fit for Ukraine

By Juan Gonzalez
The New York Daily News

Tuesday 30 November 2004

Voter fraud in the Ukraine? Give me a break.

It has been a month now and we still don't have a clear count of the votes for our own presidential race from the state of Ohio.

For those who may have forgotten, Ohio supposedly assured George W. Bush a second term in the White House - only the most important job on the planet.

The morning after the election, we were told Bush was ahead of John Kerry in that state's unofficial count by 139,000 votes, or 2.5%.

At the time there were 155,000 uncounted provisional ballots and an unknown number of overseas ballots, but Kerry concluded they would not produce enough of a margin to erase his deficit, so he promptly conceded.

At the same time, given the bitter Democratic memories of the 2000 Florida fiasco, he assured his supporters he would fight to have every vote properly counted this time.

Within a few days, other problems began to show up in Ohio's preliminary tally.

We learned, for example, that an additional 93,000 voters had gone to the polls yet machines had registered no preference of theirs for President. Only a manual recount can tell us for sure what happened to those 93,000 ballots.

Then, red-faced election officials in Franklin County admitted a computer error on Election Night had tallied 4,258 votes for Bush in a precinct where only 638 people voted. That correction alone will drop Bush's margin by 3,620.

And now Daily News reporter Larry Cohler-Esses and I have uncovered some more unusual vote totals, this time in black neighborhoods of Cleveland. Those results are from the precinct-by-precinct tallies released by the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections, where Cleveland is located.

In the 4th Ward on Cleveland's East Side, for example, two fringe presidential candidates did surprisingly well.

In precinct 4F, located at Benedictine High School on Martin Luther King Jr. Drive, Kerry received 290 votes, Bush 21 and Michael Peroutka, candidate of the ultra-conservative anti-immigrant Constitutional Party, an amazing 215 votes!

That many black votes for Peroutka is about as likely as all those Jewish votes for Buchanan in Florida's Palm Beach County in 2000.

In precinct 4N, also at Benedictine High School, the tally was Kerry 318, Bush 21, and Libertarian Party candidate Michael Badnarik 163.

Back in 2000, the combined third-party votes in those two precincts - including the Nader vote - was 8. Cuyahoga, like most of Ohio's 88 counties, uses punch-card balloting.

"That's terrible, I can't believe it," said City Councilman Kenneth Johnson, who has represented the 4th Ward since 1980. "It's obviously a malfunction with the machines."

But Peroutka and Badnarik polled unusually well in a few other black precincts. In the 8th Ward's G precinct at Cory United Methodist Church, for instance, Badnarik tallied 51 votes - nearly three times better than Bush's 19. And in I precinct at the same church, Peroutka was the choice on 27 ballots, three times more than Bush's 8. In 2000, independent candidates received 9 votes from both precincts.

The same pattern showed up in 10 Cleveland precincts in which Badnarik and Peroutka received nearly 700 votes between them.

In virtually all those precincts, Kerry's vote was lower than Al Gore's in 2000, even though there was a record turnout in the black community this time, and even though blacks voted overwhelmingly for Kerry.

If this same pattern held true in other cities around Ohio, then quite possibly thousands of votes meant for Kerry somehow ended up in the tallies of the two independent candidates. So far, however, precinct-by-precinct results have not been posted by boards of elections in other counties, but by Thursday all official results are due.

On Monday, Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell will certify Ohio's results and then a manual recount will be requested by the Green and Libertarian parties.

The Badnarik and Peroutka surge was not the only unusual occurrence in Cleveland.

Also unusual was the drop in the Democratic vote in scores of precincts compared to 2000. But more on that next time.

i'm really surprised at all the negativity being posted up here about sorryeverybody.com and the concert. my sister sent me the link to sorryeverybody.com the day after the election when both of us were feeling pretty shell-shocked that our country decided to be a bunch of dumbfucks and put whatshisface in power yet again. and honestly, if nothing else, sorryeverybody.com got me to smile. it doesn't matter whether or not people are all-knowledgeable about the msgs they have for the world about being sorry. there are so many emotions tied into this political time in our lives and people have a lot to express. let them! get your ridiculous republicanism out of here. personally i think all of you make absolutely no sense with all your oldfashioned, conservative, biblepushing opinions. you dont like sorryeverybody.com? you dont agree with it? find your own little political website for bushworshipers and go post your shit on there. many thanks and praise to the sorryeverybody.com originators, great site!

I'm organizing this concert, and it looks like a bunch of the cash is going to go to my first choice, blackboxvoting. The rest will go to the legal defense fund for protesters of the upcoming inauguration and other charities.

However, our main reason for doing the concert is to simply put like-minded people together and have a good time. We are allowed to have fun, even in Bush's America. And if you don't like the site, or don't like the idea of a concert, don't come. It's that simple.

For those who are interested, it's going to be really fun, two great nights of bands. All ages are welcome, and it's only 6 bucks. The club is really beautiful, there's a large smoking patio, and drinks are cheap. Hope to see you there! -Russ

p.s. anyone interested in volunteering for either night, please contact me.

It is very heart felt. I would like to leave for at least four years too. I at least don't want to pay any taxes to the U.S government while dubya ia in office. Where is the easiest place to move to Canada or Australia. Keep the site going I love it and I'll be at the concert since I'm in NY.
Thanks
Mark

We should be sorry because Bush lied to the world and attacked a nation that didn't attack us. We should be sorry because he is bankrupting the county in the process and destroying the world ecoomy. We should be sorry because we have lost all our allies to a lying sack of shit (I wouldn't be an ally of us any more either) We should be sorry because he is rolling back years of environmental protective laws and destroying the plantet. We should be sorry because every time he gets on national television and opens his mouth it is an embarrassment to the entire country. etc. etc. etc......

Another worthy cause that needs support:
 http://www.caseohio.info/

What better way of showing how sorry you are than to fight back against the scum who fixed the election?

Uhm wrote: "They stole the fucking election- why are you apologizing?

You should be getting angry and fighting for democracy, and if you are not, well maybe you should apologize for that."

I don't understand it. I don't understand it at all. Why does someone like Uhm see that there's a benefit show going on and it's in cooperation with SorryEverybody.com and assume that we're sitting on the sidelines or not fighting back?

Jesus Christ, that is such a fucking myopic point of view! That's like watching someone ride a subway and then yelling at them for not riding a bike. One does not negate the other!

A THIRD OF THE MONEY FROM THE BENEFIT IS GOING TO BLACKBOXVOTING! So, how the hell are you going to sit there and act like a tough guy and try to say that this is sideline-sitting?

Here's an idea: Stop being a douchebag to people who are probably just as angry as you are about the elections. Then, get on board, meet more people, and tell them how YOU think we can make a change. We'll listen to suggestions. We want more people on board. If you are angry about the administration and the election, it is totally senseless to alienate anyone in support of this benefit or the SorryEverybody.com cause.

I dont exactly know what you all mean by stealing the election...and fighting for democracy...last time i checked im pretty sure democracy means the people decide...and since bush had a majority im pretty sure that means he flat out won...anyways i dont know why all of you are still bitter about this...its over and done with and nothing you do now is gonna remove bush from office and put kerry in...the election is over and bush won...no matter how you feel, what kind of united country are we if you cant even support the president no matter who he is...while dont you spend your time trying to improve the country rather than complaining about kerry not winning and how bush is gonna ruin our country...actions speak louder than words.

...meaning he's sadly misinformed. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what stealing the election means and that stealing the election is exactly what Bush has done. But since he's too lazy to do his own fact checking he can read these for starters:
 http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/120304C.shtml
 http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
 http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=980
 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud_review.html
 http://vote2004.eriposte.com/
 http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html

According to this article:  http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1115-24.htm
Congressman Peter King made this comment at a White House function before the election had been finished that, "It's already over. The Election's over. We Won." When asked, "How do you know that?" King replies, "It's all over but the counting. And we'll take care of the counting."
How true that is. The vote numbers mean nothing if those doing the counting cannot be trusted.
But someguy got something right. In a Democracy the people decide, which is why America in 2004 is not a Democracy. A more suitable term would be "Theoligarchy".

A few more vote fraud 2004 links:
 http://scoop.co.nz/mason/features/?s=usacoup
 http://www.opednews.com/keefer_111504_readings.htm
 http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KEE411B.html
 http://www.nov2truth.org/
 http://www.votefraud.org/

first, I think it's really cool that a Bush supporter is actually posting their opinion to this site. I mean, I am sure there are alot of Bush supporters who spam this sute, but yours was at least a real comment. Now to the points:

>I dont exactly know what you all mean by stealing the election...and fighting for democracy...last time i checked im pretty sure democracy means the people decide...and since bush had a majority im pretty sure that means he flat out won...

Others have pointed out that we have little reason to believe the voting was fair in this election, and quite a bit of evidence that voters were prevented by legal and illegal methods from voting, that votes were thrown out and that the e-voting is quite hackable. As far as "the people decide" there are many other relevant arguments, like if the most important thing for winning an election is having a couple of hundered million dollars, that severely limits the infuence that "the people" can have on who is elected. Clearly, there are many sorts of folk that the people might prefer, but to whom those who can control hundereds of millions of dollars would never contribute.

>anyways i dont know why all of you are still bitter about this...its over and done with and nothing you do now is gonna remove bush from office and put kerry in...

well there, are still things that could be done to get Bush out of office, impeachments happen

>the election is over and bush won...no matter how you feel, what kind of united country are we if you cant even support the president no matter who he is...

There is an important misconception that we in some way improve the country or the lives of the troops by lending support to leaders. Clearly many ofus who feel these leaders are mass-murderers will never be talked into supporting them. You would have a hard time convincing me there is any reason to unite around a bad person.

>while dont you spend your time trying to improve the country rather than complaining about kerry not winning and how bush is gonna ruin our country...actions speak louder than words.

True enough, online debates are not the most important work to be done, but it sometimes has some use. I've had a few good ones.

Seems that Matt is very ignorant or a deliberate liar like most conservatives. Unlike Rupert Murdoch most Aussies, as well as most of the world, are intelligent and therefore hate Bush's guts.
 http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index.php?index=3&story_id=14995
3,000,000+ votes mean nothing if those votes are contrived, switched, inflated and manipulated by computer as evidence increasingly supports. But of course to the brainwashed minions of the cult of George the truth is faith-based, not reality-based.

I saw your website in Jazera channel today, Iam from Libya and I thought all American people were the same copy of the president W. Bush and any body come to the presidential it is like two faces in same coin.

Mark, re "Where is the easiest place to move to Canada or Australia," speaking from Melbourne, Australia, dubya effectively runs this country too, so I wouldn't recommend coming here. Good luck with the concert. Wish I could be there. sorryeverybody made me feel hopeful, so thanks.

ı hate a bush and hım friends they are bad people and they are wantıng to die all people ı hate bush and hım friends
my Allah is blesss us from bush and hım friends

Jim:But of course to the brainwashed minions of the cult of George the truth is faith-based, not reality-based.
And what do you call your liberal propaganda, not brainwashing? It goes both ways man. The only reason I voted for bush was to piss all those kids off at school that single people out and honestly HATE them for certain opinions. Its a free country. Try channeling all this hate into positive energy or something, because you need lots and lots of it.
PS, Just looked at www.cnn.com/election/2004... appears bush has a 3,319,608 vote lead on kerry... that sure is a lot of stolen votes... BUT we ALLLLllllll know the democrats and kerry would NEVER steal a vote, or do any fraud. just all the republican headquarters that lost power on the 2nd, and all the GOP cars/trucks/vans with slashed tires that would take old folks to vote... but i guess thats all fair game right? Oh, and all the voting machines opened up at 5AM on the second with thousands of votes for kerry ALREADY IN THEM.... BUT its against bush so its ok right? This is the worst argument ive ever written due to anger... but it feels good to atleast throw back some of the disgusting hate you all behold.

Hello everybody.I want to say I hate Bush and hate all the people who are againts peace...What I did write to the title field was told by founder of the Turkish Republic Mustafa Kemal Atatürk...If he was alive now...I think he would change so many things by his ideas...People shouldn't fight...Nobody can tell me a reason for fighting...All we need to see is PEACE...

Matt: What you and fellow brainwashed minions of the cult of George fail to realize is that reality isn't faith-based. There is such a thing as scientific truth (though that's what people like you like to label as "liberal propaganda"). But way to go citing a single corporate propaganda outlet as "proof" the election wasn't stolen. So the more votes that are stolen the more legitimate it becomes in your eyes? And it was quite hilarious how seem to believe those who respect democracy are "full of hate" while you admit the only reason you voted for Bush was because you hated the smarter kids at your school and wanted to piss them off. You obviously have in spades what it takes to be a Republican: ignorance, hate and hypocrisy.

Seriously, don't bother arguing with him. Even if we were to convince him of anything, there are so many more out there with his beliefs, motives, etc.

I am being serious when I say that Matt is the reason everyone should attend the upcoming benefit.

Thank you, Matt, for reminding us of what is wrong and helping to keep up our inspiration to change things!

kanki yazını okudum deli olmuş... nerden buldun bu siteyi... :))

Matt is stupid. He can't even argue effectively. Not only that but trying to prove your point Matt by admitting you voted for whatshisface was to make some other people you happen to know mad, is the stupidest think i have heard so far. So essentially George Bush got one more vote cause some jerkwad decided that that was his way of retaliation against people who had nothing to do with anything at all. Oh well now thats intelligent! Obviously Matt you dont take voting seriously. How about we do this: we count the votes of all the knowledgeable, intelligent people out there who voted. I think voting is similiar to parenting in a way. If you are able to get pregnant then you can become a parent, not necessarily a good one, but a parent nonetheless. And if you are 18 you can vote, not necessarily with a knowledge base behind your decision, or the right reasons, but still - because you are 18 you can vote. Lets discount all the stupid people's votes and then see who won. Then I bet our country would finally be headed in the right direction. Matt get out of the clouds and think about whats really important here, ya dumbfuck.

Im not AS dumb as you all might want to think :-) I just enjoy making all you liberal weirdos mad. I am a semester away from graduating with a B.A. in political science and I am part owner in a sucessful small business that my republican father started 30 years ago. So, say all you want, but i MUST have to admit I am a lot more happy than most of you losers are. Good luck losing, AGAIN, in 2008. Also, good luck pissing away even MORE of your money to help a lost cause. Seems that the dem's have turned into the party of the rich!

You're right. You're not as dumb as everyone here thinks... you're exponentially dumber! Which is why you have such a difficult time instilling anger in anyone. How can someone be "mad" at such a sadly delusional and intellectually handicapped kid brainwashed by his(most likely sexually abusive) Republican dad? Fortunately for Republicans like Jim (and Dubya), people with their cognitive disabilities can still succeed even without decent grades or having to work a day of their lives.
Please keep trying to make us "mad". It's utterly amusing to read the insane ramblings of such a typical Republican "political science major" ;-)

This is a little off-topic, but: Is there going to be like an orgy or anything there?

Jim Regurgitated- How can someone be "mad" at such a sadly delusional and intellectually handicapped kid brainwashed by his(most likely sexually abusive) Republican dad? And you blame me for trying to be mean? haha my point exactly, you guys are whacked out! Jim, isn't there some save the ozone party you should be attending right now? If you want another tidbit to ponder about the mysterious and infamous Matt, I won $1000 on the presidential election by placing private bets with all my friends. Guess they didn't get the memo that bush was gonna steal all of the votes. Thank Allah he did!

Jeez between running a successful small business and getting a degree political science, Matt seems to have a lot of time on his hands. But obviously neither the business nor the degree are all that fulfilling since he keeps coming to argue with us.

Seriously, it's not worth it to argue with him.

The benefit, though, will be great. And what's important is that while some people will be sitting home Friday and Saturday night watching Fox News, or going to frat parties, or trying to start fights with liberals (I imagine this is how Matt unwinds from his oh so strenuous double life of academic dynamo and business owner), some of us will be enjoying great rock and roll, cheap admission, copious booze, pretty people, and a great fucking time in Brooklyn. And on top of it all, we'll be doing it to KEEP UP THE FIGHT FOR DEMOCRACY!

Let Matt and his ilk become all high and mighty. Look at Matt laugh! Look at him! That laughter, brothers and sisters, is complacency. As they laugh and call us names, we build the fight!

There will be an orgy on the 18th...it will be good. Democrats, Republicans, and others are all welcome.

Love,
Poingly

All these comments are interesting to read. It just shows what a huge umbrella this nation is to emcompass all with such divergent viewpoints. I too am bitterly sorry about the way the election was handled (I can't say stolen yet) because of the erosion of our liberties and the mishandling of so much by the present administration. However, (and you can pillory me for this if you want) in general, removing Saddam Hussain was a good thing. He was a brutal dictator who routinely had people murdered (thousands of them) for merely stating an opinion. We should make a practice of removing those people from power wherever they are found (not just in oil rich states) That will make the world a better place in the long term although it won't happen in states which are of no significant interest to us, which is why the Sudanese genocide goes barely noticed here and North Korea becomes interesting only when they become a threat. What about the millions of people around the globe with zero freedom? Don't we owe them something?

And by the way, Eddie, there will be an orgy.

Get over it-Bush won, Kerry lost. Quit crying!

blackboxvoting.com yeah!!! so glad the money goes to them. it's a start. we're always starting. . . It's not about the way to peace. Peace is the way.

It's sad that those posting comments can't rationally debate without leveling vitriolic personal attacks on someone with a differing opinion. This accomplishes nothing and earns your side absolutely no credibility. The only thing I'm sorry about is that Matt is being attacked for being a reasonable person with a valid opinion. I'm with you Matt, me and the other 59,000,000+

I'd be careful with Blackbox Bev Harris, she was selling Clinton Cigars four years ago and has a history of shady behavior with the blackbox issue. She didnt even write the blackbox book, the guy at blackbox.com wrote it. Then she turned on him too. Just don't want you to waste your money as she has gotten a ton of donations in Washington that she hasnt even cashed yet. Be aware! Don't let her burn you.

I wanna write about something different from religion...I think Bush's new goal is Iran...I think this because Bush says Iran have some nuclear guns...Now tell me...DO u think Bush is gonna attack to Iran like he did it to Iraq?

For the love of Allah, I hope so.

Sorry that we can't be there!! New York was my hometown for 37 years, and I'm proud that you were all as "blue" as we were in Portland--take care, everyone, and have a great concert.
xoxo,
Katy

If you want to apologize, fine. The ones apologizing on "behalf of everyone whether they like it or not" are idiots who will grow up one day, get a real paycheck, see exactly how much you give to still-living-at-home idiots like yourself, and change.

For those of us that are not sorry - visit www.imnotsorry.us and register your support.

GREAT site -- thanks!!!!

Hey guys, this is a cool idea. I hope it was a big success. I was just wondering, though, about what money will be going to the beneficiary organizations? Is this 100% of the proceeds? Is it 100% after expenses? Are the bands, or you, getting any of the money? I don't have a problem with any of these scenarios, but would like to have more information and imagine that others would, too.

Thanks!

I'm not getting any money, and if I am, I'm not accepting it...

www.poingly.com

I am dealing with the door money Friday night. We are giving 50% to Code Pink's Iraq Fund and 50% to the National Lawyer's Guild Mass Legal Defense fund. But, to all that are all so concerned about our potential stealing from this up to $110 per band that we might raise if we pack the place full (which in the case of Free Radicals will be about $10 per musician), I encourage you to come to the show, pay the cover, track me down, and ask to see the receipt of my $212 plane ticket from Texas to NY I found on travelocity to play this show.

hi everybody -
i am unable to attend the show, but i want to contribute money to the cause. please let me know how and where.
this is a WONDERFUL thing that has helped many people like me who were despondent post-11/2. knowing that there are still millions of cool people out there gives us the strength to put one foot in front of the other and move forward.

it ain't over, not by a long shot.

peace upon you and yours.

I didn't in any way mean to insinuate that you or any of the other organizers were "stealing" any money from this event. I was simply curious about how this sort of thing works, how you're gonna cover your costs, etc. Frankly, if you're organizing this I think you _should_ get some money to at least compensate your time.

I guess I was responding to other comments like "How about a fundraising event for something that matters?" when I said that

I feel sorry for everyone on this site. John F. Kerry had nothing to offer. He had no leadership, only voting for the popular thing rather than the right thing.

Leadership means standing for what's right and not wavering just because baseless criticism is offered. Kerry could not lead. Americans saw this and voted for Bush - a clear leader.

I'm surprised to find a website like this. America is apologizing for the way we are? How sad. It is terrible to think that so many valient persons of this country would rather apologize wrongfully for America rather than running for public office and making a change. If enough Americans belive what these people believe, then the votes would come. If not, then we can safely assume that nutjobs will not be in power.

Thanks,

W.

Way to commercialize the issue.

Today I read some news and learned some Denmark soldiers are attackin to Iraq falk...Theese soldiers tortured to little babiez and old guys and women...This is terrible...I dunno what they are trying to do...We see nuttin but torture...I think Bush souldn't have been the next leader of USA...All he is gonna bring is torture...And I learned some American's think Muslims will occupy USA...This is nonsense...For example if I were in USA I would never think to do this...I believe that if u are a stranger in a strange country,u shouldn't want to change the things of that country...For example I don't want Kurts to change the propertiez of my country...I think what I think is true...An American is an American and it doesn't want a stranger person to change the propertiez of it's country...I believe theese like I believe so many people believe theese too...

W: how cute, your first initial is just like your presidents nickname. you must be so proud. (ew.) you are SURPRISED to see this kind of website? um, where have you been? our country is and has been SO divided, what- you find it hard to believe that georgy is so hated? i find it hard to believe and am EMBARRASED at our country's behavior. we (and i include myself in that because i am an american and have to take some responsibility for living in a country that causes such a worldly mess) are such idiots for thinking we are so high and mighty in this world. how embarrassing. it was SO nice to see a website like sorryeverybody.com where we can actually communicate to the rest of the world that we are not at all in agreement with the person who is actually "leading" our country (where he is actually "leading" it is a scary thought but we won't go there!) the rest of the world is surprised to see that we are so appalled at our president, and now they can realize the way we live - as two separate nations: one with george and one with a democracy.

check out www.apologiesaccepted.com.

ButtPlug: out of all the issues out there, you are concerned with the fact that we don't mention mexico or south america in our considerations to move away from america. (you really are totally and completely missing the point here) and you completely generalize when you say that we wont have anything to do with people or cultures that aren't our own. um, who have you been talking to and where did you come up with this? personally one of my biggest pet peeves is people who act higher and mightier than others based on color, culture, whatever. and i am white, or caucasion, or however you want to classify me. i think that being prejudiced is a disgusting trait to have. so why dont you rethink your statement, why dont you talk to more people in the democratic party before you decide we all suck and we won't associate with others. please, that is a republican thing to do, i wouldnt be caught DEAD being an asshole like that.

Matt: you are young and stupid. come back and try to talk to us when you aren't influenced by daddy's opinions, aren't relying on daddy's business experience to hold you up, and have graduated and figured out who you are. in the meantime, vote democrat, its the cool thing to do, it'll make you feel good! isn't that how you make your decisions?

whether you agree or not on ANY issue, benefit, or website please tell me what YOU are doing besides complaining.
i for one work directly with homeless individuals with HIV/AIDS and have a percentage of my paycheck deducted even though i am bouncing rent checks and i use my personal vacation time on advocacy.
websites and benefits like these are good for those that do not believe we are out there.
look at the responses -negative whining and self agrandizing (like me - ha ha).
everybody keep fighting!

Anger is one thing. Hate is another. As a Canadian from the outside looking in, I have two things to say: 1) sorryeverybody.com gave me hope, and a few laughs. thanks for that.

2) This particular page of comments has brought me down again. It is becoming clear to me that many of you still don't get it: hatred doesn't help!!! Calling each other names doesn't fix anything!!! Discussing issues is important, and being angry is acceptable, especially when there is lots to be angry about. But I'm getting angry just reading the comments you've left. Looking at the way (some) Americans speak to each other, how can I expect you to truly respect the rest of the world?

My orgies of love are just that...orgies of LOVE. I welcome everyone: Republicans, Democrats, Greens, Libritarians, etc.

The hate will then fade.

Love,
Poingly
www.poingly.com

You said-
"Today I read some news and learned some Denmark soldiers are attackin to Iraq falk...Theese soldiers tortured to little babiez and old guys and women...This is terrible...I dunno what they are trying to do...We see nuttin but torture..."

Where did you hear about torturing two little babies?
I'm danish, and so far I have heard (almost) nothing but good about the danish effort in Iraq. I mean, the local populace even warns the danish soldiers about ambushes and the like.
The torture issue regarding danish soldiers, so far doesn't involve danish soldiers directly. The allegations are that danish soldiers have been watching(and laughing) while IRAQI soldiers tortured their(iraqi) prisoners. This has been denied by the danish commander.
The newspaper that first reported it, printed a retraction the day after, at the request of the danish commander(as there is NO proof), then turned round again, and printed more allegations...
So far none have been proven, and given the record of danish troops as peacekeepers all over the world, I find it highly unlikely that they would allow such things to take place(when they have the authority to do something about it).
None the less, it is being looked into. If the events did infact happen, heads will roll. Untill then, I suggest you wait for proof of the allegations.

As for this concert business, I think it's a great idea. Maybe you could start a world tour? I mean, 85% of Denmark would have voted Kerry, 75% on a worldbasis... There's lots of potential out there ;)

You wrote-
"I'm so not sorry. Our economy is growing twice as fast as other developed nation. Our unemployment figure is half of the developed Europe. Our taxes are low. Bush knows what he's doing. I don't hear people saying SORRY for the world's Intelligences that believed Sadam possessed WMDs prior to Iraq liberation. That's something the liberal media doesn't tell you about. Sadam tricked inspectors throughout the 90s. He had to be dealt with. Month by month, we find more mass graves on the soil of Iraq. Afghanistan and Libia were dealt with and no longer pose threat. No attack on American soil since 911. I will not say sorry to hippie communists who seek America's weakening in the world affairs. You have yourselves to blame for your own beliefs, your own elected officials, and your own "liberal" agendas."

So Michael, it doesn't bother you that Colin Powell, a few months prior to claiming Saddam had WMD's, stated that "Saddam had NO WMD's, and that his conventional warfare capabilities were severely crippled. He posed no threat to the adjacent countries". If you thought Kerry was a flipflopper, then what's this?
Your economy may be stronger, it may be growing faster and you may have fewer unemployed, but at what cost?
Libya dealt with? Sorry, but many experts state that change was underway in Libya way before america "flexed it's muscles". Bush and co. may have sped up the process slightly, but it was already taking place...

I could continue disagreeing with your post, but there'd be no point would there?

I just hate bush

I wish I could be there. I wish my apology to the world meant more.

But the election changed me from someone who votes Democrat, into an activist and financial contributor. I'm sure there are a lot of others like me. Hopefully we can make a difference next time, in the near future...

Hello Mr.Larsen...First thing I wanna tell u is I had really a new about this thing I wrote...Really I had read it before I wrote...Don't think that I hate Danishs or something...I don't hate races and when I do it,what I hate is always people...You should accept that there are so many people in the world who wanna kill Muslims...May be I am always sayin this but it is the awful truth...Is it impossible Danish's are killing people...I have no bad thought about Denmark or Danish's...Be sure that my newspaper deserves to believe it...I don't think that I need to tour the world to see learn about people...U can learn so many things by newspaper,internet and stuff man...May be u should learn what is goin on in Iraq:)

Well, I thought The Revolution was coming in 1967, or maybe by 1971. But everyone just Got Older. Perhaps we'll reach that point of Enough! in the next four years. Maybe. Maybe not. Until - then - remember: Life's a Bitch and then you die. So you'd better do your best and make it count in positive karma.
Say it loud: "I'm Blue and I'm Proud!" 49% is pretty good for this country of lambs. They 'are driven by a hundred forms of fear,' you know. Be gentle, but persevere!
And above all, Carry On! (Kerry On???)

Hello to the owner of an unknown name...I don't know why the messages we left make u angry this much...Shouldn't we be angry for all theese things that happenin in Iraq?Sometimes the things u see and hear make u angry and u reflect it to somethings that aren't about the thing u are angry for...America makes so many people angry all over the world...We write here our thoughts and we don't have to accept the thouthts of other people...And sometimes when a thought is agants to yours u can be angry for that...For example,some people think that my religion supports violence...A person did write Islam supports violence and it really made me very very very angry...People are all in this way...They have different thoughts and they discuss about theese and the most important thing we gotta do is not to be an enemy of a person because it thinks different from us...Mate all u gotta do is to write what u think and when a person is againts to your thought u should talk about it...We shouldn't be angry for discussing...Discussin can solve so many problems...

Ayhan -- I'm the one who hid your post. It is not about this article and so it is hidden. You are free to post to all the articles on the website, not just this one. The front page is:

nyc.indymedia.org

There are many different articles and this one is old now and nobody is reading it. You should also post comments that are about the story. Otherwise nothing would make sense. :)

Hello...I am writin here cuz I believe somethings to say about the thing u call story and everybody is writin about 'the story' on this page...But sometimes what I write is disspeared by some people and it is terrible...When I write my religion it is cleaned and I think some people don't want to let other ones to learn the truths...May be u know the reason for this...Really some people clean what we write or this is only what I think?I know America as the country of freedom but look at this...Thoughts shouldn't be cleaned in my opinion,amn't I rite?Please think about that and let people learn the truths...LOVE...

mmm does everything in american culture eventually get debased to the $$$$

including sorry

"another to partake of liberal conscience-salving copout bullshit."

"so no, you dont get to stop trying. im tired of wieners who run away from the battle and make excuses. this fight is just beginning. if you are going to sit it out on the sidelines, you are no better than the bush supporter morons."

seems to me people don't understand the changes can't be made that need to be. if there was a way for the people's voices to speak out in a manner that wouldn't be considered radical and possibly get us killed or jailed (we do have families after all to take care of) i'm sure more than plenty of us would. if there was a way we could have bush impeached at this point in the game, we would. unfortunately there isn't any legal thing to do to get this man out of power at the time. and you that don't realize that need to get your heads out of your asses, you're just as bad any other ignorant fronter that can't see that people are trying, and sometimes one persons vote isn't enough to change the nations. don't judge me based on where i'm from, judge me based on who i am. a human being, born in a society i cannot change alone, and i'm not the only one.

Yes I am very sorry to the world about 51% of this country being idiots for supporting a man that steals elections and has people within his cabinet along with him and the vise-president that is making money on the death of thousands of American and military lives. He has turned the tragedy that hundreds of people survived on 9-11 into a money making machine and also a license to kill innocent civilians and military personnel. I not only submitted my picture to apoligize to the world but am also taking a active role. I am doing petitions, and lobbing the government as well against the election and Bush. It is fine to make feelings known as long as they are constructive and respectful (which I have seen some on site that are down right degreating), but also a active role by everyone that is on this site could make a huge difference. I applaude the bands and people that started the concert cause they are getting voices heard. Everyone that submitted their photo here should stand up and have voice heard, then maybe things in this country would change finally and get the people in the government to finally listen.

They say ignorance is bliss, but you seem suprisingly agitated for someone operating without any facts. PLEASE explain how VP is profiting from ... well, all the claims you make.

"I wrote here about Turkey's EU relationships,but I can't see what I wrote yesterday...I dunno what u tryin to do...Please let us talk what we wanna talk about..."

Turkey's EU relationship has nothing to do with a concert that happened weeks ago. You keep posting here and nobody is looking at the thread. It's "off-topic."

If you want to write an article about Turkey's relationship to the EU, go ahead. Just post it as an original story, with references and thoughtfulness and it will stay up allowing people to discuss it. But don't post it here. Follow the links from the front page to publish an original story.

Your last post was "hidden." Further posts that are off-topic will also be hidden. Sorry if this is confusing for you, but look around the site and see how it is done.

I want to tell you something...We know the USA as the country of freedom for years...If u are really support the freedom of thoughts,don't hide the posts I write...I ain't got no more thing to say...

If not a single man or woman of God on the face of the Earth appreciates what you people of the USA do for the sake of awareness, then at least I know to appreciate it across from the Atlantic.

Keep up the good work, and spread the awareness, the word of wisdom. Otherwise, in less than four years, the overwhelming majority of this bright and hard-working nation might irreversibly sink and drown in a digital version of the European Medieval Age, an age when ten thousands of women, Jews and Muslims as well as reformists and scientist were burnt alive at the stake.

And God beware, if this happens, like Moby Dick, it would sink the rest of the world with it too. God bless you.

Hello everybody...A new year is waitin for us...I wish happy new year...I hope 2005 brings us freedom,peace and love...

Great site. We truly have reason to be sorry. Any more concerts comming up? How did the concert come off? I have realitives in Germany and even the Germans wonder why we have lost our minds. I will send them a link to your site. As Americans we have been lied to since our country started. As humans we have been lied to for milennia. I am glad some of us are awake enough to see the crap we are told is in fact crap. I believe we have been run by the industrialists since the civil war. Big industry won and consumerisim riegns. We have government by the industrialists not the people.

Have any of you ever seen the web site www.truthbeknown.com. It has some really excellent and pertinent information. I think you might find it interesting.

Blessings and love to all,
I am truely sorry, I am ashamed to be an American,
Henry

You are not along. My name is Vera, I'm from Russia. We also have not any choise. Elections is not our voices. But we can try, try to do right.

Who's Whining instead of Working? People can have feelings, don't be such an autotron. Why do you think you're working harder? You just need therapy more (or some good sex) -- lighten up, it'll help you not burn out.

I wonder if all that you that apologised voted - or if your social conscience doesn’t reach as far as that – because voting doesn’t get your face published…
But then, after seeing the international injustices your country perpertrates daily; I am cynical & suspicious in the extreme- of anything coming out of your country!

ı wish to be it happyly day but bush and hıs goverment ıt'snt ımpossible for you and all word...ı am sadding for ıt........